‘Dit is nie net die verhaal van ’n vrou of van ’n volk nie’
– Elretha Britz, Volksblad, 6 February 2017
Toe Pieter Dirk Uys vir hom ’ n spreekbuis in die gedaante v an Evita Bezuidenhout
geskep het, het hy nie kon droom sy sou ’n persona groter as sy eie ontwikkel nie.
Hy het Elretha Britz vertel hoe dit gebeur het.
Evita Bezuidenhout, wat op 28 September 1935 in Bethlehem in die Vrystaat gebore
is, was in haar jong dae ’n mooi en ambisieuse vrou en het later die bekendheid verwerf
waarna sy gestreef het.
Sy was ’n ambassadeur, het die geskiedenis van die land help vorm, is ’n bobaaskok
en lewer op 81 steeds kommentaar op die politiek.
Dié vrou het ’n persona aangeneem wat so werklik is soos, wel, Helen Zille. Maar
dis ’n illusie. Evita is ’n karakter wat die akteur Pieter-Dirk Uys geskep het omdat
hy in die apartheidsjare inligting oor ongerymdhede in haar mond kon lê. Die veiligheidspolisie
sou haar nie kon opspoor nie.
Uys, wat op 11 Februarie twee vertonings in Bloemfontein aanbied, vertel hierin die
verhaal van Evita Bezuidenhout.
“Ek het laat in die 1970’s, in die tyd van die Inligtingskandaal, ’n weeklikse rubriek
vir die Johannesburgse koerant Sunday Express geskryf. Gerugte van diefstal, verduistering
en selfs moord het die ronde gedoen. Omdat die media gesensor was, durf ’n mens nie
oor die ongerymdhede geskryf het nie. Toe skep ek ’n karakter uit wie se mond inligting
soos warm heuning gedrup het.
“Sy was die vrou van ’n Nasionale Party-parlementslid en ’n spysenier wat in die
politieke binnekringe beweeg het. Drie jaar lank het sy een keer ’n maand lesers
van die stank onder ’n dekmantel van respektabelheid ingelig. Niemand het haar gestuit
nie en iemand het haar die naam ‘Evita van Pretoria’ gegee. “Vir my vertoning Adapt
or Dye in 1982 het ek Evita ’ n fisieke werklikheid gemaak, ’n vrou met lang wimpers,
hoë hakke en ’n handsak. Daarna wou die publiek nog meer van haar hoor, toe skep
ek vir haar ’n man, oom Hasie, en kinders.
“Met die vestiging van die absurde tuislandstelsel het ek haar in die ‘pos’ as ambassadeur
van Babetikosweti aangestel. Die publiek het vir haar briewe begin skryf en onder
meer gesê hulle steun haar pogings om ‘daardie derderangse satirikus Pieter-Dirk
Uys in die bek te ruk wanneer hy met haar die spot dryf’.
“Politici het ook vir haar briewe gestuur. Pik Botha het haar gefaks, emeritus-aartsbiskop
dr. Desmond Tutu het saam met haar getoi-toi en oudpres. Nelson Mandela het haar
as vermaakkunstenaar vir geleenthede gebruik. Ontwerpers het klere gemaak. En ek
het ter wille van haar op ’n dieet gegaan.
“Haar resepte is in twee kosboeke opgeneem, Evita’s Kossie Sikelela en Evita’s Bossie
Sikelela. “Toe ek haar lewensverhaal in my vertoning A Part Hate a Part Love vertel
het, het ek besef dit is nie net die verhaal van ’n vrou of van ’n volk nie, dit
is in baie gevalle die storie van ons lewe.”
Evita Bezuidenhout: 11 F ebruarie om 1 5:00 en 19:30 in die Sand du Plessisteater
in Bl oemfontein. Kaartjies kos R130, R150, R180 en R250. Be spreek b y Pacofs, 051
Gasant Abarder finds out that Tannie Evita Bezuidenhout has opinions — and solutions
— for all our qualms: from the beleaguered Springboks, the plummeting rand, Tim Noakes
and the student protests
– Gasant Abarder, Cape Argus, 4 November 2016
There’s an excited group of executives in the Mount Nelson Hotel’s lobby area. I
move closer to see what the fuss is about. Most of the managers are unsurprisingly
men and they're listening intently.
It’s Tannie Evita Bezuidenhout holding court.
“Careful,” I say, “The media is here.”
There are nervous giggles all round, except from Tannie Evita who looks stately in
an elegant dress and heels, not a hint of grey in her hair.
It took a lot to get this interview — chiefly having to listen to Pieter-Dirk Uys
ramble on and on about himself so that I could get to Tannie! He clearly rides on
“Ag, I’m so glad you gave him some attention. He’s so lonely out there because in
a democracy there’s nothing to complain about, né?”
South Africans have been in for a rough time. But Tannie has the antidote. This week
she has had young and old spellbound with her show, An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout,
which concludes on Sunday at Artscape.
As always, she isn’t shy to share her opinions, especially politics.
“It’s wonderful how people have created new words for old habits. In the old days
we called state capture National Party policy. They say, the Guptas and R8 billion
... the National Party spent that over a weekend.
“So I keep saying to people I’ve been there. Ek kom van daai ou laager and I saw
with my own eyes what can actually happen when the public looks the other way. And
that’s the thing we must never do now.
“Thanks to Thuli (Madonsela), she has shown us you don’t look the other way. My friend
said: O, my liewe aarde, every time I read every newspaper — except of course the
Cape Argus which is always very optimistic — I feel like I have to run to the Australian
High Commission to get a visa to go and live in Australia.’
“I say: Maar my gits, skattie, you can live in Australia and watch your Vietnamese
neighbours eat your dogs! It is nonsense.’
“I must tell you something else, we forget that democracy will never be perfect.
Everybody’s fingerprints are on that silver chalice of freedom so all these things
can be expected. But the problem is if the top of the tree is rotten then the roots
also go. We are sitting in a situation... aai die arme ou Jacob!”
Tannie Evita has opinions — and solutions — for all our qualms: from the beleaguered
Springboks, the plummeting rand, Tim Noakes, the student protests and tips for aspiring
She is as astute as ever in her golden years. And if we listen carefully, there is
wisdom in every pearl she offers.
“I must tell you and let me be very clear: I am a member of the ANC. I am not allowed
to speak on behalf of the party, I am not allowed to have any opinions.
“I’m here in my personal capacity as a gogo and a citizen of South Africa.
“The rand is now a cent. Liewe aarde! It makes no sense! And the Springboks? It’s
called service delivery: rugby teams must deliver and if there is rotten service
delivery we must replace them with the people who can do the job. It doesn’t matter
about colour. What about women being part of the Springbok rugby team, why must it
always be men?
“A woman must just lift her T-shirt and all the men will fall over and then she can
kick a goal, né? Take a hint from Donald Trump’s old notebook. I mean, daai ou skelmpie...
“But I am worried that symbols take over from common sense. Take the Cecil John Rhodes
statue. In Darling in my little Perron, I’ve got Boerassic Park and these are places
waiting for these statues.
“I’ve said to Mr Max Price (UCT vice-chancellor) and the people at Wits that they
must send me the statues that the students don’t like.
“I don’t want those statues to be there to irritate the students. Who needs to look
at a statue of Adolf Hitler in this day and age in Germany? They don’t have his statue
“But give me the statues because it’s part of history. Don’t destroy them. Put them
into Boerassic Park with Jan van Riebeeck and Hendrik Verwoerd.
“I think there’s only one statue of Hendrik Verwoerd and that’s in Orania. It’s small.
When Nelson Mandela stood next to it he looked down and said: I didn’t know he was
so small!’ “
Tannie Evita is a veteran author of a number of books, including cookbooks like Bossie
Sikelela and Kossie Sikelela.
She has noticed that another politician has released a tell-all book recently. When
I mention Helen Zille’s Not Without A Fight, Tannie Evita raises her eyebrows and
says: “Mamphela het so geskrik she lost her memory and didn’t know what she had promised.
You must never kiss like that in public, especially powerful women. Dis baie gevaarlik.
“Good luck, Helen, you are standing in the queue in every bookshop because people
don’t always want to read the truth. So if you tell the truth, you’re not going to
sell too many copies.
“If you’ve added noughts for effect, you might get onto page 6 of one of the newspapers.
If you prove that you are what you say, we will see you actually doing it in your
“She had a very good life. My liewe aarde, I never met her of course because anyone
exposing the death of Steve Biko was a communist and a terrorist.
“I’ve always thought she was a good leader of a party. She was disciplined, she was
an Angela Merkel, she was a Margaret Thatcher... not always necessary in this country.
“They said to me, why don’t you lead the party, and I said those days of madam-in-charge
are over. I think the best thing she ever did was to actually step away from the
leadership of the DA.
“I’ve got the book, it’s a very thick book and it’s in the car in case somebody hijacks
me then I’ll throw the book at them. Dis ‘n doodgooi boek!”
But what to make of the Tannie’s beloved ANC? They’re misunderstood, says the Tannie,
and there’s plenty to be optimistic about.
“People don’t do their homework. I think the biggest mistake we’re making here is
we don’t know who our leaders are. Everybody says, O, Jacob Zuma ja ja...’.
“He’s a very clever man. He’s not a Western leader, he’s a Zulu chief, né. He’s a
Dingaan, he’s a Shaka. They didn’t take public protectors seriously, hulle het hul
geëet, né, literally gebraai... en Piet Retief, maar hy was net die pudding.
“I’m looking very forward to this occasion, an evening with Evita Bezuidenhout in
Artscape. I look forward to the people who say to me wherever I am, O, Tannie Evita
we can’t come to your Perron because we are too busy and it’s too far and our car
has been stolen.’
“Now you can come to Artscape. On Sunday I have two shows and that is wonderful because
families can come together. What I want to do is just present to them all the realities...
make them feel in charge of the things that frighten them.
“My dear, dear Marlene le Roux (Artscape chief executive)... die pragtige Marlene,
die slim Marlene... she is the right CEO there because sy vat nie nonsens van enige
“And of course she’s brought theatre, opera and ballet and all those wonderful things
for people who weren’t allowed in the place in the old South Africa.”
Tannie Evita has a recipe to bring the ANC National Executive Committee (NEC) into
line. It’s all about eating right, connecting with the people and doing the right
“I’m just an ordinary member of the African National Congress. But I will say to
them, stick to my diet. It’s working and I’ve been doing it for a few months.
“It’s not banting en daai donner (Tim Noakes) is gedurend in my kombuis. I say do
not come in here with the fat. It’s nonsense, nee wat, jou hart gaan staan met al
daai braaivleis. Jy sien mos al die boere is dood.
“I have a very clever diet for the NEC but especially for the cabinet because if
you look at a fat politician, you think of the thin voter, and the majority of voters
are poorer and thinner than ever before.
“All Julius Malema has to do between now and the general election of 2019 is to promise
the poor everything and anything and they will vote him into power democratically,
“I look at Donald Trump and I’m grateful for Julius Malema, I must be honest. But
do not underestimate the extreme cleverness of the EFF. Ek dink hulle is baie slim,
cleverer than the other parties.”
“I would also say to the members of the NEC: Don’t follow the leader just because
he pays your bills. You have got to stand up for what you believe in’.
“The reason I speak about all those things like HIV - and I didn’t want to talk about
those things for years want ek was bang vir die goed - because when Thabo Mbeki said
those things that HIV does not lead to Aids, everybody around him who knew better
said nothing. And 380 000 people died, as my son De Kock tells me.
“To the NEC: Make yourself known to your constituents because people don’t know who
is in the government.’
“And I say this more to the voters: Find out who you’ve put into power is delivering
and if they don’t deliver, get their cellphone numbers and phone them at 3am for
the next five years. Hou die donners wakker!’
“I’m in the ANC because I had to get to where the power is. The power is not in Parliament,
it has become a DA parking garage or a playpen for the Teletubbies of the EFF.
“Luthuli House is the only power station that the ANC has built in the last 22 years.
Ek is daar and let me tell you something, some people say Tannie Evita Bezuidenhout
as a member of the ANC is like Angela Merkel as a credit bank manager.
“Of course, I know who the corrupt ones are and I send SMSes to people and say: Look,
look, Guptas, oppas!’ There are thousands and thousands of members of the ANC who
are not corrupt, who are not stealing. Most people I talk to have not thought about
“I say think about it because we are very lucky to be here. We could have been Syria,
we could have been Libya. We are not, ons is nog hier.”
In her twilight years, Tannie Evita has many qualities our politicians can learn
from. Being part of our country’s landscape for so long, she is keen to leave behind
a lasting legacy.
“I hope they say that Tannie Evita Bezuidenhout went from one extreme to the other
and she made the other as positive and as optimistic as the former one was negative
and pessimistic. Tannie Evita stood up and showed that if the people lead, the government
“En sy het mooi bene.”
*Catch An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout on Sunday at 3pm and 6.30pm at Artscape.
Book at Computicket or call 021 421 7695.
** Gasant Abarder is the editor of the Cape Argus.
– Benn Van Der Westhuizen, What’s on in Cape Town, 4 November 2016
Evita Bezuidenhout is mellowing in her old age! It’s all cooing over her grandchildren
now and discussing her rocky road to Damascus, while displaying a softer, more motherly
side to her audiences. But don’t be fooled, she still refuses to give her usual line-up
of political rascals an easy ride.
In a way An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout is perhaps her most radical treatment
yet of South Africa’s political imbroglio, by which I mean it is political comedy
in the venerable vein: above the fray, and faintly facile. But if this style may
seem unadventurous, rest assured, there are still plenty of good jokes in store.
And what follows is an engaging hour and a half of narrative comedy, a hilarious
yarn dealing mostly with her transition — along with fellow Afrikaners — into democracy.
The comedian and satirist Pieter-Dirk Uys’ famed caricature proposes a wonderful
mix of social comedy, satire and cautious optimism.
The setup is pretty familiar. Dressed to the nines in shimmering sequins and exuding
her wonderfully affected mannerisms, Uys takes the stage brimming with enthusiasm
as his Evita gushes over her position as the head cook at Luthuli House. It’s a swaggering
introduction from a stand-up not known for his humility. Last night’s front row was
filled with a host of foreign nationals who provided Uys with ample comic resources.
He rails with razor-sharp wit while dishing out hilarious jabs against their country
of origin — the US (Trump’s uncanny resemblance to a Halloween pumpkin), UK (how
post-Brexit Britons will have to queue next to refugees for Schengen holiday visas),
and Argentina (the terrible fate of the other Evita, “who sang and then died”). But
Uys doesn’t need the unorthodox helping hand: this is a strong, swift production,
which accrues added potency from its pacing and rarity. Now and then, Evita’s line
of thinking deviates via less political topics: the adopted grandchildren and her
dismay at changing drivers. But all roads lead back to patriotism, and Uys throws
himself at that material even more vigorously than usual. As expected, he revisits
some of the usual suspects such as Mandela and Thabo Mbeki, rounding them off with
a garnishing of pasty, lumpen architects from the apartheid regime. But it’s essentially
one quip after another about the omnishambles of our chaotic political governance,
and the vanishing centre ground.
I cannot imagine any other setting than Artscape’s spacious stage for this production.
The prestige befits an esteemed artist like Pieter-Dirk Uys. His ever-changing comic
repertoire keeps him ahead of the curve. So it’s refreshing to see how he holds steadfast
in our current era of political correctness.
This barbed and brilliant evening comes from a performer who understands that patriotism
is about protecting the country you hold dear from the government you elect. And
with this logic, Uys continues to cement his legitimacy in our current cultural and
political sphere. An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout is an involving and lively show,
even if the ending reflects how tricky it can be to take comedy to such dour places
— and bring it back again with an uproarious jolt.
An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout runs at the Artscape Theatre from 1 to 6 November
WHEN I became a member of the ANC twenty months ago, it was as if I had joined ISIS.
“How can you do that?” they asked.
A very simple answer: because I can. It's a democracy we live in and that allows
I suppose seeing Evita Bezuidenhout as a member of the African National Congress
is like seeing German Chancellor Angela Merkel as a Greek bank manager.
But when my grandchildren challenged me and said: “Gogo? What are you going to do
to protect democracy, so that one day when we need to vote freely and fairly, democracy
will still be there in full working condition?”
There was only one choice: I had to become involved in active politics again. Dive
head-first into the intrigues of power, or as my son De Kock says: “The shock and
awe of designer-democracy.”
As we all know Parliament is no longer the arena of debate and sensible compromise.
It's now either a DA parking garage, or a playpen for the Teletubbies of the EFF.
So I have to be in Johannesburg at the headquarters of the ANC.
Yes, Luthuli House is without a doubt the one and only real power station that the
ANC has built in the last 22 years.
I remember sitting outside that building in my car in a turmoil of indecision. How
can I choose that party after those years of struggle against it?
Being a Libra the other side welled up in my emotion. We Voortrekker women crossed
the Drakensberg barefoot. Ja-nee, Boer maak ‘n plan. So I got out of the car, kissed
it goodbye and walked into the foyer of this Amandlian monument of nouveau-noir aspirations.
The foyer was empty. It must be tea time. I went to reception.
No one there. Maybe it's lunchtime? I sat on a chair that wobbled. I think I saw
a small mouse run across the floor. Then the lift door opened and Jessie Duarte came
out. I was relieved because I know Jessie and like her, especially with her new hairstyle.
She looked shocked. “Tannie Evita? What are you doing here? This is not Woolworths?”
I said: “No, Jessie I am coming to join the ANC.”
“Why?” she gasped, “What have you heard?”
“Nothing,” I laughed. “I want to be a member. What must I do?”
“Do you have cash?” she asked. I nodded. “Ok, you're in.”
It was a life-changing experience. Of course I walked in there with all the familiar
prejudices that so many of us share. That everyone in the ANC is corrupt, that everyone
is a crook, creaming off the top of the barrel, hitching up the questionable families
prowling the perimeters of power.
Yes, we will easily find six names every day to fill the front page of the Citizen
newspaper, but during my experiences at Luthuli House I have met so many comrades
who are not corrupt, who are not toadies, who are not Noddy-dogs in the back window
of the President's blue-lighted BMW. They are working hard to keep this democracy
more or less on track.
Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Which means that not everyone is following Number
One. Not all comrades shout Amandla! when the chain of power is pulled.
As a member of the ANC I may not speak on behalf of the party.
I may not insinuate or fabricate; I may not announce or even celebrate. So I write
here purely in a personal capacity as a mere citizen of a beloved country and proud
Gogo of my three grandchildren, who are not black, who are not white.
They are Barack Obama beige. No one knew what to do with me because with my Eurocentric
face and fashion, I stick out a mile.
Like a vanilla ice cream among the rum-and-raison specials, or the chocolate-mocha
surprise. Many cadres speak to me in Afrikaans and my isiXhosa is getting better
by the month. My best phrase as taught me by Nelson Mandela while I cooked for him
from 1994 to 1998 is walala wasala! It means: you snooze, you lose.
Does history repeat itself and turn tragedy into farce? The horrors of apartheid
are hiding in the mists of fading memories. Those terrible things we did to each
other in the name of politics are the tragedies of our past, but today there are
those familiar farces of confusion, arrogance, carelessness and lost opportunities.
That's not a tragedy; that's just bad government.
I only say this because I was there in those old days when we closed newspapers,
banned words, imprisoned leaders, shot at children, lied to God and raided the piggy
bank of the Treasury.
I love where we are today in this 22nd year of a democracy that no one ever thought
would happen. Yes, maybe we whites got away with apartheid, but thank heavens for
small mercies. The alternative would have been another Syria, Libya and/or Burundi.
The legacy of reconciliation and embrace, which we all could envelop ourselves in
when the dark curtain of separate development parted and allowed us all to dance
in the sunrise of hope, must not be allowed to be eclipsed by third-rate politicians
with their fourth-rate excuses.
The National Party was also in constant war with itself.
The knives were out and stabbings were the aerobics of the day. Exactly what is happening
now outside my Luthuli House kitchen.
But in the old days no one knew because we controlled everything.
We lobotomised generations to say Ja Baas and Ja Oom. Today everyone has a camera
at their fingertips, so no one can hide anything negative from the positive.
Without articulating a list of names, we heard the Chief ANC Whip in Parliament remind
us all that freedom of expression is still alive in the party. If he is muzzled,
we need to expose those who curtailed his freedom of speech.
Our beleaguered Minister of Finance is doing his job, as well as he can with the
hounds of the Nklandlaville howling in the full moon of Zumafication. Those dogs
must be fed another diet. Their tails will wag again.
So it's not impossible to fall in love with South Africa again. Politics is here
today and gone tonight. Keep your eye on the muddy ball of policies, but focus on
what matters. Your family, your life, your loves. We live in the most beautiful country
in the world. We must keep this land strong and confident, not just for the sake
of our children and our grandchildren, but also our Zimbabwean maid's children. If
the people lead, the government must follow.
● Don’t miss An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout at the Artscape Theatre on Tuesday
1 and Wednesday 2 November at 20:00, Sunday 6 November at 15:00 and 18:30. Book at
Also follow weekly episodes of Evita’s Free Speech on YouTube every Sunday. www.evita.co.za
– Candice Bernstein, Sarafina Magazine, 25 October 2016
Evita Bezuidenhout, regarded as ‘the most famous white woman in South Africa,’ heads
to the Artscape Theatre with her new show: An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout. We
sat down with her at the Mount Nelson to chat about the show, her grandchildren and
of course, politics. More information about the show can be found at the bottom of
Sarafina: I am very honoured to be here….
Let’s chat about the show that you are about to do.
I’m so excited. It’s going to be at the Artscape in the beginning of November. An
Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout.
What can audiences expect?
They always know that I will tell them as close to the truth as I have researched.
I will share with them my opinions and I will remind them where we come from so we
can celebrate where we are going. They often say that history repeats itself and
it takes tragedy and turns it into farce, I hope not. I don’t think history repeats
itself in South Africa. I think it just rhymes. From Apartheid to tripartite. From
Amandla to Nkandla. I would like people to bring their children. There’s an 8pm show
on Wednesday the 3rd and Tuesday the 2nd, but on the Sunday, I have two shows, one
at 3pm and one at 6:30pm in the evening so bring your family. Bring the children,
it’s their future. The wonderful thing about me and what people know, is I have never
in my life used bad language. I tell the truth but I don’t use bad language. So don’t
be frightening of having to close your children’s ears. I mean what you hear on TV,
my goodness me! Terrible language. But I look forward to that experience because
I’ll be on a stage with an audience of people and it will be live so it’s from my
mouth to your ears, or my mouth to your lawyer’s ear.
Do you ever get starstruck?
I do. I fall in love with people all the time. I look at them on television and I
think ‘oh my goodness, what a fantastic man.” I’ve been in love with Desmond Tutu
for a longtime but you must remember that in the old days we thought he was a communist
but we were wrong, he’s an Anglican. Barack Obama! I think Michelle, ooh did you
hear her speech just a few days ago about women and children after Donald Trump said
all those horrible things? And I thought ‘at least that is the good news from this
American election,” what she said because it’s an ugly election. I still find power
makes me starstruck because I know how easy it is for those people to get what they
want, like movie stars. So I do, I’m a bit naïve when it comes to that.
Going off of what you just mentioned with the election happening right now, I watched
your latest Free Speech episode and I am so sorry that you experienced that horrible
incident. Does this mean that you are rooting for Hillary Clinton?
I’m not rooting for anybody but I think Hillary is a better choice because at least
she knows what she is doing. This other man, unfortunately represents a huge amount
of people who will never know what they are doing but that’s the way the world is
going. I think it was my son who said that “in an upside down society, the lowest
common denominator floats up to the top.” The Clintons come with baggage, of course,
because all politics is corrupt and all power is questioned but at least they know
where the red button is and they wont press it. Donald Trump will press it because
he thinks he is changing TV stations.
Do you think that South Africa could benefit from a female president?
I think South African needs a president who knows what he or she is doing. A female
president could be a very good idea but don’t just put a woman there because you
feel you have to tick the box. I know that Barack and Michelle Obama are without
a job after the 20th of January next year, why don’t they come and take over for
6 months so that we can clean the sandbox of politics. I said this to Cyril Ramaphosa
the other day, I said “Cyril, Jacob Zuma is the big tomcat of politics. Everything
he puts into the sandbox you have to clean up.” If there is going to be a change
of power in South Africa, and they talk about Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, I like her
very much but I don’t think she is the right person because she will keep Jacob Zuma
protected and we don’t necessary want to protect people when they are out of office.
I want to say to Jacob Zuma “Please take retirement for health reasons with full
amnesty” because we don’t want to go through years and years of court cases. It’s
boring. We’ve been there. Give him Nkandla as a present and we can name an airport
after him, Upington Airport and then get him out of the way. That’s my point. We
can’t move because the elephant is in the room and the elephant can’t fit through
the door to get out so make the door bigger.
Don’t you think by rewarding him that is going to maybe encourage up-and-coming leaders
to behave the same way?
No leader is going to behave in the same way. They are going to behave in different
ways which we won’t find out till too late. That is because they are clever. Nobody
is going to be Adolf Hitler anymore. Nobody is going to have Auschwitz anymore. But
they are going to find ways of actually torturing people and bring Apartheid back
in a different form. And education is one of those terrible things that maybe only
certain people will be allowed to have, so it will be the separate development of
education and we must prevent that. My grandchildren are the ones that say to me
“Gogo, you must protect democracy so that we can use it one day when we have the
vote.” Because they are still little born-frees.
You have 3 grandchildren right?
They are not black, they are not white, they are Barack Obama beige. I’ve got 3 little,
well they are not so little but they are. They always throw the hashtags at me and
I’ve got to make sense of the hashtags and I agree with most of them. Yes, the fees
must fall but fall means disappear down a black-hole. Fees must be less but you can’t
have free education. You don’t get free anything. Life is not free. The only thing
you are free to do is to be human. That is your human right. That is the only right
you have so we must sort out what the rights are and we can only sort it out when
people read the bill of rights and the constitution. Nobody reads the constitution
because nobody does their homework. I keep saying ‘gogga gogga, find out.’
How are you able to remain so optimistic with everything that has been happening
in the country over the course of your career?
Well pessimism is a no-go area. What do we do through pessimism? You go nowhere.
You feel sick and you die unhappy and nobody even knows who you were. But optimism
means, you know, I believe that things are always going to be better than we expect
because there are more good people than bad people. Find the good people especially
the ones in politics and tell them we are on your side. We spend too much time looking
at the bad people who love the attention, who love being famous. With politics we
still treat them like the royal family like we did under Apartheid. They are not.
They are civil servants. We put them there. So they must do their job or they must
get out of their job. I’m a member of the ANC and I am very proud to actually have
put the cabinet on a diet. Look at them, they can fit on economy class seats on SAA.
That’s a start, neh?
A big start. You have had such a great long career, how have you noticed women’s
roles in society have changed in South Africa and where do you see this developing
in the future?
There is virtually no comparison. In the old days we knew our place as Calvinist
Afrikaans women, 3 steps behind your husband and sometimes they forgot and we said
“I can’t stand next to you. I’ve got to stand behind you.” Nobody ever thought that
a woman could become a politician. Nobody ever thought a woman could become a leader.
Nobody thought. Nobody thought. Then things change, we said what about Queen Elizabeth
the first? What about Queen Victoria? What about Golda Meir? And what about Margaret
Thatcher? I will always have Margaret Thatcher there as an inspiration. I didn’t
always understand what she said and what she did, but she did make me realise that
hypocrisy is the vaseline of political intercourse. Then of course we have some wonderful
women today in our democratic structure because of the equality of all before the
law. I’ve always had a great admiration for Winnie Madikizela Mandela. She is 80.
She looks beautiful, bit of botox maybe but then black doesn’t crack so you don’t
notice the botox. She is an important voice in our politics because she is definitely
a senior member of the ANC and has the right to criticise. But we have some important
women who we don’t know through fame, all the wives of Afrikaaner politicians; Dr.
Malan’s wife, Mr. Strijdom’s wife, Mr. Verwoed’s wife, Mr. Vorster’s wife, Mr. De
Klerk’s wife. They kept their husbands relatively sane because those politicians
had so much power. They could do anything and there was always the wife who at the
end of the day would say ‘Ag papa, kom sit, kom sit. Let me get you a cup of tea
and let’s listen to some nice music and calm down.’ Don’t forget, behind every powerful
man is a very powerful woman who never says “I am important” and that is why she
has power. I love the way that women use their femininity to seduce the world. Who
was that wonderful woman, Gloria Steinem? Always, you know, you thought “oh she’s
a movie star. She’s a model.” And she said “This is me. I don’t do it specially for
you. I do it for me.” I keep saying to women “Don’t do it for anybody. Do it for
yourself.” Women must lead. No, women must be free to choose what they want to do.
To put a woman into politics just because she is a woman is an insult. I think that
is really bad. It’s not a good idea at all.
I think now with what is happening in the world, especially with the U.S election,
it’s showing younger women that they can aim for that. They can aim to be a leader.
I think it has become part of the alphabet of life compared to 20 years ago, compared
to when I was a child, it was impossible. Hillary will do the job well. Hillary will
keep the titanic floating. Donald Trump will…I don’t know. This is the frightening
thing, we don’t know. But is that what people thought when Steve Jobs held up a little
square and said “Guess what this is? It is a cellphone.” And we thought “No!” Is
Donald Trump maybe where the world should go when we have become a reality TV show
anyway? I don’t know. I think that is why the only answer to the question ‘what do
we do?’ is ‘vote.’ That is it. Vote. If the majority of people want him, every democracy
deserves the government they get. We have to educate people about what is wrong and
about what is better and what is easy because easy is always dangerous. I think it’s
going to be very difficult to choose anyway because we’ve got to do homework. We
don’t do that. Nobody knows anything about Jacob Zuma. All white people say “oh he
is so corrupt. He only has standard 3.” Look how far he’s got with standard 3! We
taught him to read and write at the University of Robben Island, that helped and
he’s got charm and he’s got charisma. Never underestimate politicians, each one has
got charm and charisma.
I saw recently that you did a Youtube collaboration with Suzelle DIY.
Can we expect more collaborations between you and the up-and-coming personalities
of South Africa?
I would love that! I didn’t know who Suzette, I mean Suzelle was. I didn’t understand.
I got a phone call “Tannie Evita we want a recipe.” I thought they wanted a recipe
from my book so I said “yes of course I’ll share it with you.” Maybe she wants me
to show her how I make it? So she arrived and she was very sweet and she just kept
talking, never stopped talking. She was like a chihuahua on tik. And then I suddenly
realised that she was going to take 4 hours to make this rooibos tea rusk. Liewe
aarde! I was a little bit confused but now that I’ve understood more, I thought she
was very nice. And what a good idea because she speaks the language of the people
and she doesn’t make people think it’s complicated to cook. That’s why my cookbook…oh
I have one for you by the way.
Wow. Thank you!
My cookbook is really there for people who can’t cook, and especially men and they
said “no we are frightened of cooking! We don’t even know where the kitchen is.”
I said “well then follow the cat.” The cat will always go to the kitchen.
One of the questions that I ask everyone that I interview, and I think this would
be a great place to end off, is who are some South African women in the arts that
Women in the arts? Well you know Thuli is in the art of negotiation. Helen Zille
in the art of politics. Mimi Coertse in the art of opera singing. Miriam Makeba in
the art of beautiful struggle and culture. I think everything that is done well is
an art. It’s not just theatre and music and films. Charlize Theron. Major. I love
Charlize. Every time I see her she is so sweet. She always remembers that I said
to her mother “take your daughter to New York because she can’t be a ballet dancer
because she is too tall.” I helped her mother get a cheap flight to New York and
I said to Charlize when I met her, she had this thick South African accent and I
said ‘nee skat. You’ve got to sit in front of the television and watch soap operas
and just speak with them and eventually you will develop an accent” and look, she’s
done that. Clever and very important because she has led by example. She has adopted
two little children, beautiful little boy and little girl, African-American and not
out of guilt because she is a white Afrikaaner but because she loves children and
children don’t have colour. Children are innocent like angels. Children must be protected
and women are the first people to protect children. Every man must realise that if
it wasn’t for women, he would not be there.
Thank you so much.
Thank you and good luck with Sarafina!
An Evening with Evita Bezuidenhout runs at the Artscape Theatre on Tuesday 1 November
at 8:00pm, Wednesday 2 November at 8:00pm and on Sunday 6 November at 3:00pm and
6:30pm. Tickets cost R150 via 0214217695 or Computicket and 08619158000. Not suitable
for those under the age of 14 and anyone without a sense of humour.
Please also note: Pieter-Dirk Uys returns to the Baxter Theatre with his acclaimed
one man show The Echo of a Noise from 29 Nov – 17 Dec at 8:15pm nightly with booking
via Computicket or 08619158000.
Inspirational. Transformational. Funny. Glamorous. Topical. Typically South African.
It is 2016. We are in the 22nd year of our democracy and Evita Bezuidenhout is still
with us. For the last 35 years she has been in the public domain, firstly as the
South African Ambassador to the Independent Black Homeland of Bapetiskosweti, and
then once Nelson Mandela dissolved the Bantustans into one homeland called South
Africa, she went into his kitchen and cooked for him.
Now still regarded as the most famous white woman in South Africa, she has taken
over the kitchen in Luthuli House where as a member of the ANC she cooks for reconciliation,
having put the Cabinet on a strict diet. Her three born-free grandchildren have challenged
her to protect democracy for the future generations to enjoy. As she says: ‘Boer
maak ‘n Plan!’ So spend a special evening with her and join her in focusing on the
news of the day, confronting the realities of a rainbow nation in trouble, but always
keeping the glass half-full and not half-empty.